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If You Will Let People Talk They Will Tell You What They Want

Sean Jackson, CFO and Partner of Rainmaker Digital Says Don’t Interrupt Your Customers Online Conversations

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Robert: I’m Robert. We got Brad here, with Sean Jackson, the CFO of Rainmaker Digital and we’ve known each other way back to Pubcon and you were the President of the Dallas Ad League. You’ve done it all from old – what we like about you, you are old media.

Brad: Old school marketing.

Robert: Old school marketing and now digital.

Sean: There you go.

Robert: So Brad is going to tell you about one of the challenges we run into in a process we use called “Listen, think, speak,” and we’re going to talk to you about “Listen”.

Sean: OK.

Brad: Yeah. So one of the things we find, Sean, is that companies don’t take the time to listen. They just want to sell, sell, sell or promote, promote, promote and they don’t take the time to really listen first to say, “What is it about my audience or customers or prospects that I need to take and then develop a plan or marketing plan off this?”

Give us a little idea about how you’ve seen that in the digital world, how you see things work, how you see things that haven’t worked. Just give us some of your insights.

Sean: I’m sorry. I wasn’t listening. Oh, wait a minute! No. I think that is the toughest part. I think in a sales-driven culture especially, everyone is so excited to get out there selling, right?

Brad: It’s all about the money.

Sean: Yeah, that’s right. I need to sell you and even if somebody says, “Wait, wait, wait. I’m ready to buy,” it’s like, well, I haven’t sold you enough yet, right?

Brad: There’s more. I need to talk more.

Sean: And I think it’s because typically in sales organizations, you have dynamic people wanting to speak, et cetera. But I think we’ve always found over history, between all media, that when we take time to listen, the most successful sales technique is listening.

I think the digital age has actually made it easier for us to listen than it has been in the past. So with all that said, if you’re not prepared to really take the time and understand that if you let people talk, they will tell you exactly what they want.

Brad: Exactly what they want. Yes. So you spoke the digital age makes it easier to listen. Tell us how you’ve seen that in real life. What is it in the digital world that makes it easier to listen? I’m not talking about software. Let’s get to a better level.

Sean: Sure.

Brad: We all have little buttons we can push. Let’s talk on a deeper level. What are some of the things you’ve seen that help you listen better?

Sean: Well, I think when it comes to businesses, certainly a lot of people now are feeling comfortable asking questions on the internet. So let’s go through the very basics. Google, right? Google Trends will tell you what type of topics seem to be trending or not, right? That’s a very informal way of seeing where a topic is and how it is –

Brad: Speaking of Google.

Sean: You know, basically how in Google Trends you can see how people are talking in an indirect way. But then even more intimate is all of our social media channels, right? When you’re looking on LinkedIn, you’re looking on Quora, you’re looking on Facebook, people are posting things out there and asking questions or they’re responding to questions that come up.

So I think from an observation standpoint, there are many, many ways out there. One of my favorite tools for listening is actually Quora because Quora, people are asking questions and people are giving responses.

Brad: Yeah.

Sean: So I think we have a way to be a little bit more sophisticated in how we hear people at a broad level. But then of course at a business level, there are different techniques that are needed.

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Who Really Does All That Tweeting At The White House?

by Brad Besancon

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Robert: It’s Robert and Brad. We’re standing outside 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where we’ve just had a meeting.

Brad: Yeah, it was pretty cool. We met with the Social Media Director for President Trump, spent about 15, 20 minutes with him and just talking social media and it was pretty interesting Robert because even though White House knows the importance of social media, even though we meet company after company that does it, he actually has a call every morning with the president at around 6:00, 6:30 just to talk about what we need to do in social media.

Robert: The president is savvy. Those tweets are the president’s. There’s not some body –

Brad: That’s right. You heard it here, inside scoop.

Robert: Yeah. They’re not behind the scenes writing it. They’re the president’s and then after they get the kind of marching orders of what he’s tweeting, he calls all the networks and gives them a heads up of, you know, here’s going to be the message at the White House today and this is a big change that has gone on here since I covered the White House.

It used to the news media kind of set the message of the day. Now this president shows how using social media, he sets that message and the media has to follow it and there’s a lesson there for business.

Brad: Well, it’s what we talk about all the time about controlling the message, controlling your content, driving – being proactive, not reactive and the president has it nailed. He knows exactly what that is and knows that principle probably from his business background. You know, controlling that message. The other thing that we heard a lot of was about the importance of talking the right language to your audience and his base in his party and that’s all audience speak.

Robert: And here’s the other impact we’ve seen on what – how this has affected politics. We’ve met with some candidates who are in races. What do they want to know how to do?

Brad: Exactly. They want to know how to ramp up the base, get everybody fired up. Well, we call it “poking the passion” or “firing the passion” and being sure that the message is going out in the right format and the right language. That’s audience speak.

Robert: Hey, they personally want to know, “How do I tweet it? How do I do Facebook?” That’s something really you as the owner and the CEO, that’s a big a part of your brand, you need to know how to do that.

Brad: Yeah, you really do. So that is the Clarity Clip of the Week from the White House and we’re signing off now. So have a good one, guys.

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There’s A Screen Between You And Your Customers. Is Your Brand Present?

by Brad Besancon

Mobile First: The Screen Between Your Audience and Your Brand

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Brad: Well, hello everyone. It’s Brad and Robert with Clarity Clip again and we are sitting in NorthPark Center Mall here in Dallas, Texas and we’re – it actually is Valentine’s Day and we’re wandering around here doing some observations, some – listening to things, speak research. What are we seeing?

Robert: Well, we’re seeing couples on Valentine’s, a special moment, and they’re going, “Hey, honey. I love you,” and she’s sitting right over there.

Brad: Yeah, they’re texting.

Robert: Oh, I love you too.

Brad: It’s the screen between.

Robert: Smile, heart, heart, heart.

Brad: The screen between.

Robert: Yes.

Experiencing Life With The Screen Between

Brad: The screen between. And one of the things we’ve really noticed – I mean this isn’t new, right folks? This isn’t new. But really over the last couple of years, it has really gotten bad, if we can say bad. But what we call it now is we call it life being experienced with a screen between. We don’t just go to a kid’s event anymore. We don’t go to a football game anymore. We don’t come to the mall anymore without doing what? We’re on our phone.

Robert: Yes.

Brad: And we can’t just watch our child sing or dance. We have to video it. “What do they do with all the video?” I wonder. What do people do with all that video if they get done with it? This is so bad that I heard the social secretary for President George W. Bush talk about – it became an issue in the White House and these are big, high-end donors. They’re all aged. They’re baby boomers. They’re older and stuff and they started getting complaints at all the events for the donors and supporters that no one can see the president because everybody has got –

Brad: Everybody has got – everybody is doing this.

Robert: Yeah. So they literally – the Secret Service had a bucket as you would go in and they started collecting them. So the fact that that demographic –

Brad: It’s not millennials. It’s not just millennials.

Robert: It’s everywhere.

Brad: It’s everyone.

Robert: That’s what our clients do not understand.

Think Mobile First With Web Design

Brad: Yes. One of the things we’re also seeing, which we’ve been preaching, we’ve been talking about for years in our company is you better be thinking mobile first. With website design, you better be thinking mobile first. With photography, content.

How is your social media? You know, 60 something percent of our time online now is in social media. So how are you using this to better your brand and your connection? Because there’s no more, “Hey Robert, do you know somebody that does this?” and I just – yeah, call this guy and I just call him. It’s over.

Robert: So first off, if your team in your company and marketing, there’s – talking about a new website or they’re talking about what they do on Facebook, you have to first look, “Well, what does that look like on the mobile phone?”

Think Mobile First and Responsive Design

Brad: On the phone, on a 4.5, 5-inch screen, not a 27-inch desktop anymore.

Robert: You as the executive and business owner, you might be still looking at the desktop. But I got to tell you something. You’re not your customer. That’s not the way they experience the world. It’s not the way they’re going to experience your product or your service.

AudienceSpeak: Communicating Your Message & Brand Through The Screen

Brad: Yeah, it’s right back to audience speak. What is the people you’re trying to target doing? How are they interacting with your brand? How are they interacting with life? Which now we interact with life right here now.

Robert: Yeah.

Brad: We don’t just come to a mall anymore and hang out. We’ve got to show on Instagram. We got to check in. We got to do all this stuff. Mobile, mobile, mobile because we are living in a screen between lifestyle now. So you have to think, “How can I get in between my potential client or customer’s life with that screen between?”

So whatever they’re experiencing, how do I interject my brand into that screen between to really connect and converse and then ultimately convert, right? That’s what we’re here for. So that’s our Clarity Clip of the week. We will see you here in the next couple of weeks and guys, get out there and enjoy life. Put the screen between down.

Robert: Thank you.

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